Thúy Nga Forum
 
 
 

Explaination from Lachongdance

 
View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
All Forums >> [Thúy Nga Online] >> Ý Kiến Ðóng Góp >> Explaination from Lachongdance Page: [1] 2 3   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
Explaination from Lachongdance - 9/28/2007 3:02:50 PM   
lachongdance

 

Posts: 2
Joined: 9/28/2007
Status: offline
Hi everyone,
    Lachongdance is appreciated by the older generation, who understand Vietnamese culture. Younger viewers who were born outside of Vietnam are not fond of Lachong. We are aware of that.
    Our biggest problem is time to practice. Most of us who either have a full-time job or being full-time students. Full-time students also have a part-time jobs. The only time we can practice is weekend. And sometime we are busy on the weekends too ! Lachong dancers are either 1st or 2nd generation of Vietnamese refugees, who have been struggling in the new land. Yes, some of the dancers just arrived to the States one or 2 years ago. Some other dancers who have been with Lachong since Highschool, now they got Master degrees and still being with Lachong. In another word, we kind of have 2 lives to deal with. A normal life and performer's life. It has its beautiful side, but it also has stressful side. And when viewers say " Hey, you are not good enough !" , it has its sad side too !
    But for whatever reasons, if we are being on a proffessional stage, we have to look proffessional (No excuses !). We are still working on that. Hopefully, we will get better and better as time goes by.Meanwhile, we will take your negative and positive inputs.
    Someone call Lachong's choreography is "stupid dances". We have our own difficulties on that too. If you know some things about Vietnamese traditions, you should know that a Vietnamese Traditional dancer can not do certain moves (to keep it traditional !). A Vietnamese modern dancer can do Ballet , Jazz, modern, hiphop moves. But we (lachong) can not always allowed to do that. Our job is to preserve and develope our traditional dances. If we kept it strictly traditional (authentic), the dances would be outdated, boring, simple. If we modernized it too much, we loose our Traditional culture. Therefore, we have to modernize it just enough to keep it updated without loosing its traditional values. It is not an easy job. And we are not sure if we are being successful either !
    Older generation, they understand Vitenamese culture, they understand our refugees situation, they know that to have a Vietnamese dance group outside of Vietnam is not an easy thing to do. Especialy, we have not gotten any Goverment fund to do it ! They support us even we are not fully proffessional yet !
    In Paris By Night 90, we did 3 dances. "Co Tham ve lang" is a welknown country song. We had to keep it country, we can not use fancy moves (to respect that popular song). It has to look a little bit "que^   que^" to go along with the country outfits. But if you called it "stupid dance", you did not understand our difficult situations. In that dance, we spiced it up with some modernized moves to make it more up-to-date. But if younger viewers still did not like it, we will try harder ! The song "Tuong nhu con nguoi yeu" ,if we tried do to fancy moves in this song, nobody would cry over this number. The song "Chi Toi", this song was done very well by Thuy Nga a while ago with Don Ho. This song is a last-minute-decision from the Producers. Basically, we just had to follow the story line. We could not do anything more different.
    Some of the Vietnamese younger viewers get yellow-skin, but do not think like a Vietnamese. The older generation should educate younger generation about Vietnamese culture. We have been loosing it as time goes by ! Thanks to Mr. Nguyen Ngoc Ngan for doing it !
    Two months ago, there was this one Vietnamese girl who came to audition for Lachongdance. She is really good with Jazz dance & Ballet. After the audition, we asked her "Are you sure you want to do Vietnamese traditional dances ? Because you are young and very good at Western's dances" .She said she watched lachongdance in VanSon DVD's. She knew how Lachong dancers doing, she would like to be a part of it. We were happy to have some good dancers like her in the group. After the audition, we continue practicing a dance for Nha Thanh. That girl stayed in the corner of our dance class, tried to copy every moves from our dance. It showed that she loved to do Vietnamese traditional dances. A few days later, she sent us a tearful email saying that her father found out about her audition with Lachong. He did not allow her to join us (she is still underage). We do not know the reasons he stopped her from joinning us. May be he wanted her to concerntrate in her first year in college ?. Maybe he thinks a dancer's life is bad for his teenager ?. He let her to take Jazz dance, Ballet dance, Cheer leading during her highschool. But not with Lachong now. We did not know why. For sure, joinning Lachong is only good for her Vietnamese roots.
    We (older generation) should educate younger generation about Vietnamese Culture. We are loosing it !
    For your infomations, there is Hong Lac Dance group in Canada, there is Lac Hong Dance Group in Vietnam. We are Lac Hong Dance Group in California. There are no relations between the 3 dance groups. The more Vietnamese dance groups outside of Vietnam the better !
    Thuy Nga dancers and Ms. Shanda Sawyer are the best of the best ! We admire them.
    In a moment of love and hate, some people say : No more Thuy Nga, no more Van Son, no more Asia, no more this singer, no more that singer.... What if all the Vietnamese Productions really disappear from the industry, whose loss ?

Peace,
Lachongdance
Post #: 1
RE: Explaination from Lachongdance - 9/28/2007 3:22:22 PM   
Le_Chi

 

Posts: 1131
Joined: 6/1/2006
Status: offline
Haven't been fortunate to see PBN 90 live and I don't remember if I took notice of Lac Hong Dancers on any of the Van Son DVDs I watched.   However, I like it when you spoke your honest words and with pride.  Thanks for that.  I'm looking forward to seeing you in the upcoming DVD release.  But so far, you have my full support.

(in reply to lachongdance)
Post #: 2
RE: Explaination from Lachongdance - 9/28/2007 4:36:50 PM   
ManhLeQuan


Posts: 2342
Joined: 6/1/2006
From: The mountain of the 4 elements.
Status: offline
That's correct you guys are true Vietnamese with Lac Hong blood! *sings Dong Mau Lac Hong*

_____________________________

ManhLeQuan is a male!

(in reply to Le_Chi)
Post #: 3
RE: Explaination from Lachongdance - 9/28/2007 6:01:50 PM   
MLe6644

 

Posts: 7
Joined: 9/26/2007
Status: offline
I was touched with your true and honest explaination.  I also admire you all in trying to keep Vietnamese traditional dance.  We, the older generation, have to feel ashame with this group of young dancers since we have not done enough to educate our kids about Vietnamese cultures or Vietnamese traditional dance so our kids can appreciate more for what LacHongDance has strived for many years despite of their difficulties in time and money.

Besides ThuyNga and Asia, I also watch Van Son DVD and I never have any comments with LacHongDance group since I think you did a great job.  When Van Son had a brief introduction about this dance group, saying that most of them were students, I even admired them much more since then.  So, LacHongDance group, you always have my full support, my family and my friends' support as well.  Thanks so much for keeping Vietnamese traditional dance alive generation after generation.

Love you all and continue to do this.  Don't let those negative and harsh inputs affect you.  Just take it in a way to improve yourselves and move on.  I'm sure you'll get full support from many other Vietnamese who know how to appreciate your work, specially your effort to keep Vietnamese traditional dance alive.

(in reply to lachongdance)
Post #: 4
RE: Explaination from Lachongdance - 9/28/2007 6:08:39 PM   
phuongxa


Posts: 407
Joined: 6/1/2006
Status: offline
just ignore some rude comments out there, just do your best, we all proud of you and contribution to vietnamese community

(in reply to MLe6644)
Post #: 5
RE: Explaination from Lachongdance - 9/28/2007 6:51:22 PM   
Kevin2

 

Posts: 483
Joined: 6/1/2006
Status: offline
You never going to please everyone! Just stay true yourself and identity, that all it matter! There will alway be positive and negative comments in all aspects!  

_____________________________

http://www.myspace.com/hungngoc

(in reply to phuongxa)
Post #: 6
RE: Explaination from Lachongdance - 9/28/2007 6:55:48 PM   
Asias_Spy

 

Posts: 3498
Joined: 6/1/2006
From: USA
Status: offline
Thanks for explaining to us, and we will always support you LacHong dancers! We admire your spirit and your effort.  It is sad that most Vietnamese characters are "noi thi hay, lam thi zero", only like to sit around and putting down others, yet for themselves they did nothing to contribute...at least you try and alway try to be better, despite having to make a living and being busy with all other things in life...you should be proud and you have my full support!!

(in reply to lachongdance)
Post #: 7
RE: Explaination from Lachongdance - 9/28/2007 8:00:12 PM   
vivi_ri


Posts: 998
Joined: 6/30/2006
Status: offline
 TO LACHONGDANCERS:
I went to the PBN 90 taping and I didn't enjoy the dances from your dance group. (sorry to say that)

I dont remember what song you guys did, but there was a scene in it in which the male dancers were like twitching on stage. (they had their fists on the side and did some weird movements) I don't think that is traditional at all. I am not blaming the group on the dance moves since I am well aware that you do have a choreorgrapher to help you. I did mention that you guys were out of sync and I still stand true to that. I am sure that when PBN releases this DVD they might edit it so that it doesnt appear that way but what I saw at the taping did not help the songs or performances because when you guys were out of sync it was awkward on stage. (like you said, NO EXCUSES for professionals)

I understand that your members are busy with their own personal lifestyles, but PBN dancers have only 2 weeks to practice and they still carry out their performances beautifully. I guess that is the difference between professional dancers full time and dancers who only dance part time. You guys may have busy lifestyles, but if you are going to commit to something (especially something that you have to showcase such as your dances) then you can't blame it on your lifestyles for your lack of perfection on stage.

When I referred to the dances as "Stupid' I dont mean Vietnamese traditional dances as a whole ( i commented on how beautiful PBN dancers do the vietnamese dances) i just meant that the choreographer who created the dance routine for you guys on one of the particular song did a horrible job. I apologize if you thought I was referring to the vietnamese cultural dance as a whole.

EVen though I did not enjoy your performance, you cannot stereotype me for being too Americanized for not "yellow skinned" enough. I wasn't born in the US and I've had my fair share of the hardships in Viet Nam to know what it is like to have pride in my country and people. So please refrain from calling those who just honestly don't like your dances as being uneducated about the vietnamese culture or too americanized because it is not true at all.

Once again, this is how I feel personally and other people might not agree with me and others might, but I dont mean any offend to your dance group and I apologize if you took it as hatred. I just didn't like your performance on PBN. :)

(in reply to Asias_Spy)
Post #: 8
RE: Explaination from Lachongdance - 9/28/2007 9:51:59 PM   
lollyviet

 

Posts: 430
Joined: 6/1/2006
From: Garden Grove Ca USA
Status: offline
I think Vivi_ri is being a little too harsh, but she seems to be an honest person and I appreciate that. I dont think the member Lachongdancer take your comments as hatred. Indeed, he/she learns a great deal from your comments. It seems that he takes all the comments positively and learns from them. I admire both of you for being able to express your comments/opinions so effectively. For me, the lachongdancers are ok, but we cannot really compare them w/ the PBN's dancers cuz PBN's dancers r much more trained and that is their career while the lachong dancers are more like a passion.

(in reply to vivi_ri)
Post #: 9
RE: Explaination from Lachongdance - 9/28/2007 10:10:26 PM   
lia thia


Posts: 6428
Joined: 6/1/2006
From: Dollard-des-Ormeaux
Status: offline
Lần đầu tiên mới nghe có loại dance nầy ...
Thia tui chỉ thấy những loại dance đã được trình diển wa trên PRBN như là
cầm cuốc, cầm liềm, cầm nón lá, kéo lưới.
Muh nhìu nước củng có cuốc, liềm, nón, lưới ................
Ấn, Miên, Lào, Thái thì tay chân múa máy khác VN ........
*
Question: dị thì ... ta có thể coi những vũ điệu đã trình bày trong bài "gánh lúa", "tiếng dân chài" ..... là Lạc Hồng dance .... ????

_____________________________

http://forums.thuyngaonline.com/tm.aspx?m=935690
(Làm trai 3 dzợ fải thương cho đồng)

(in reply to lollyviet)
Post #: 10
RE: Explaination from Lachongdance - 9/28/2007 11:38:06 PM   
510star

 

Posts: 233
Joined: 6/24/2007
Status: offline
i miss the old pbn dancers tho.

Lac Hong was from Toronto ,canada

(in reply to lia thia)
Post #: 11
RE: Explaination from Lachongdance - 9/29/2007 12:00:19 AM   
lachongdance

 

Posts: 2
Joined: 9/28/2007
Status: offline
Thank you everybody for your understanding and support. We will continue to work on our "problems" to be better in the future. Thanks again for caring !
Lachongdance 

(in reply to 510star)
Post #: 12
RE: Explaination from Lachongdance - 9/29/2007 7:11:02 AM   
boigeorge00

 

Posts: 669
Joined: 4/12/2007
Status: offline
yeahh PBN dancers are PROFESSIONAL dancers who dance for a living and have been doing this for allll their lives.  They dance for some of the big name american artists like mariah, beyonce, britney, etc. so of course their going to be a lot more fluid.  The lac hong dancers don't dance for a living, because as he/she said..they hold other jobs/go to school so it's understandable why they may not be at the level that we would expect..

(in reply to lachongdance)
Post #: 13
RE: Explaination from Lachongdance - 9/29/2007 7:14:17 AM   
sunnybatch

 

Posts: 136
Joined: 8/22/2007
Status: offline
vietnamese lacks of talents!!! and there is no other explaination that I should understand your problems......dear honey...you shouldnt practise your career in american business cuz you only can sell vegatables with those talents..but anyway keep it coming...Like to see new viets generation make it big here

(in reply to boigeorge00)
Post #: 14
RE: Explaination from Lachongdance - 9/29/2007 7:46:45 AM   
Precious Stone


Posts: 4023
Joined: 6/11/2007
Status: offline
To Lachongdancers: We support you all. You make life become more beautiful. Don't worry about those silly comments and keep yourselves relaxed for the practice. Precious Stone.

_____________________________

()'' ''' ''()
(, ' o ' ,)
(,,,) P.S (,,,)
(,,,)-V-(,,,)

(in reply to sunnybatch)
Post #: 15
RE: Explaination from Lachongdance - 9/29/2007 8:23:20 AM   
boigeorge00

 

Posts: 669
Joined: 4/12/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: sunnybatch

vietnamese lacks of talents!!! and there is no other explaination that I should understand your problems......dear honey...you shouldnt practise your career in american business cuz you only can sell vegatables with those talents..but anyway keep it coming...Like to see new viets generation make it big here


yous rude...

(in reply to sunnybatch)
Post #: 16
RE: Explaination from Lachongdance - 9/29/2007 8:31:26 AM   
Vi2003


Posts: 377
Joined: 6/1/2006
From: binghamton ny USA
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: sunnybatch

vietnamese lacks of talents!!! and there is no other explaination that I should understand your problems......dear honey...you shouldnt practise your career in american business cuz you only can sell vegatables with those talents..but anyway keep it coming...Like to see new viets generation make it big here


that's a rather great way to put your own race down.. if you have no pride for being a vietnamese person..why do u even bother watching PBN and coming here.. urgh... some people are so>>>>>>>>>>

i feel very appreciated that we still have some tradition in our culture being in a foreign land..Even if it's not the best but it's still a great effort. It brought alot of memories about vietnam. Being raised in America, i have somehow lost a little bit of myself along the way. Thank you for teaching me things here and there to keep my memories alive. I love PBN for that.

_____________________________

MUO^n do*`i ye^u na`ng NHU QUYNH***

(in reply to sunnybatch)
Post #: 17
RE: Explaination from Lachongdance - 9/29/2007 7:10:19 PM   
510star

 

Posts: 233
Joined: 6/24/2007
Status: offline
vietnamese people dont have as much talent as other countries. does this mean we're going to loose shanda sawyer

(in reply to Vi2003)
Post #: 18
RE: Explaination from Lachongdance - 9/29/2007 10:20:40 PM   
sunnybatch

 

Posts: 136
Joined: 8/22/2007
Status: offline
just say the truth lol

(in reply to 510star)
Post #: 19
RE: Explaination from Lachongdance - 10/1/2007 1:58:03 PM   
Le_Chi

 

Posts: 1131
Joined: 6/1/2006
Status: offline
I sympathized with Lac Hong spokesperson initially and still do, but I feel Vivi_ri was just as honest and persuasive.  On one hand, the Lac Hong group's appeal to preserving the Vietnamese traditions makes good sense.  And the fact that they are non-professionals while trying to make a difference certainly deserves our support.  On the other hand, I understand people do have high expectations of the dancers when they are to perform on the stage.  After all, dancers and choreography are one of Thuy Nga's key differentiators, so there's got to be a level of tolerance somewhere.

I reserve my judgement on this until I have a chance to watch the DVD.

(in reply to sunnybatch)
Post #: 20
Page:   [1] 2 3   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Thúy Nga Online] >> Ý Kiến Ðóng Góp >> Explaination from Lachongdance Page: [1] 2 3   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Forum Software © ASPPlayground.NET Advanced Edition 2.5.5 Unicode